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Introduction 0:00
Welcome to the #PirateBroadcast™, where we interview #interestingpeople doing #interestingthings. Where you can expand your connections, your community, #kindnessiscool and #smilesarefree. Let’s get this party started.

Russ Johns 0:18
It's a great day for the #PirateBroadcast™. And we are here again for another episode. And also we got a new pirate in the house. We got Kenneth is gonna join us here, and we're gonna be talking about LinkedIn a little bit. So Kenneth, good morning, how are you, my friend?

Kenneth Lang 0:35
I'm doing well, doing really, really well started the new year. It's great to be on the show. I really appreciate it.

Russ Johns 0:43
Well, it's nice to have somebody like yourself that is familiar with LinkedIn, sharing a few tips and, you know, methods of making sure that we're staying connected on this platform and making sure that we have the connections we need to continue to grow our business. And how did you manage to navigate your your life into this direction and being a LinkedIn trainer and being somebody that's interested in LinkedIn, you've been on LinkedIn for a while, tell us your backstory.

Kenneth Lang 1:15
Sure, well, back in 2008-2009 like everyone else who lost my job, just you know, for all different things. And I started using LinkedIn back then as a job seeker. And it got me basically every job after that from from recommendations and just connecting with people. Last year, my last assignment ended and I figured No problem, I'm going to get another job. And then a month later, or a week later, actually, I broke my wrist. And that was that holy cow. I was out for about two months. So I figured I have to do something else with my time. So I figured let me just make a go of this. I didn't think the pandemic was going to happen, then, of course, I mean, no one really did. So, you know...

Russ Johns 1:54
That was not aa planned event, I don't think.

Kenneth Lang 1:56
No, I kind of fell into this. And so I started doing some training and doing some stuff online. And it just led from one thing to to another. And I've made some great connections all over the world, too. So it's been fun, actually, it's not a common thing to say in these times.

Russ Johns 2:12
Yeah. And really, you know, I was the same. Same situation, I had just moved to Houston in 2010. You know, I've kind of survived it, you know, the company was in chapter 11. And, you know, restructuring or chapter seven, I don't know what you know, it was it was restructuring its finances. And then they moved me to Houston, because of my position, climbed up the ladder. And then all of a sudden, I'm tossed out the corporate window, the the ivory tower, as they say, yeah, and similar situation. So I don't want to diminish that at all. I do want to, however, understand and appreciate the people that are in the situation of not having a job right now. And LinkedIn has been a huge benefit for a lot of people that are searching for making connections and relationships, because that's really what it's about. I think Kenneth is building connections that allow you to have a conversation that lead to new opportunities.

Kenneth Lang 3:16
I think one of the myths and the misunderstandings is that you're not gonna get a job from LinkedIn, but you may get close to a job, you may build relationships. And I think once people realize that, it makes a big difference.

Russ Johns 3:28
Well, it's not a resume site, a lot of people think, well, I just need to post my resume out there and then people will find me and it's not necessarily the case at all. Navigate us through some of the things that you learned. And when you started then compared to what you've seen now and how it's evolved, what are some key points that you....

Kenneth Lang 3:52
Well, I think the first thing I think about which is a more recent thing is you want to write the LinkedIn profile for people who are going to want to hire you. Your past experience is all well and good, but people want to know what you can do for them. So it's taking that past experience and making it well, this is what I can do for you now. You know, your your job title, the top, it's not what you did, it's what you want to do. And then the other aspect is about the keywords. But there's a balance to it. You know, I look at profiles all day. And I'll have a conversation with you like this on the side. And then I'll say why isn't this on your LinkedIn profile? It's not doing much good to tell me when you can tell millions of other people and then the aha moment comes up. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

Russ Johns 4:37
It's really, and it's really about being engaged and it's just like anything else in life. You have to be present, you have to be engaged, you have to start the conversation and, and communicate your value to the to the benefit of others. You know, and that's the same thing in LinkedIn, you know, just share what you can do to bring value to Other people, and also the way I look at it,

Kenneth Lang 5:03
You also don't want to be afraid to ask people for help. And that's a big thing that a lot of job seekers, like, they don't want to ask for help. Why not? Just mention what you want help with. Most people are very giving on the platform. There are a lot of issues with automatic and automated connection requests, but that's just a side product. I mean, what we all deal with from time to time?

Russ Johns 5:26
Sure. You know, t's interesting, too, because I think on your profile, you said something about being an introvert. Yeah. I think you know, I think of networking and an introvert in LinkedIn kind of fits the spot for you then, in a lot of ways, doesn't it? Because, yeah, actually advertise and have a conversation without having to go out.

Kenneth Lang 5:53
I was the type of person that when you went to a networking event in person, I'd be like, why am I here? I don't know anyone, I'm going to be that person against the wall. So this has given me an opportunity to to build that voice. Yeah. And a lot of us are introverts on this platform. And, you know, I think the first post I did about it was like an aha moment too. For sure, now, are you an introvert?

Russ Johns 6:18
I'm more of an ambivert. I've actually been, I've been building communities and networking for years in a lot of different ways. And, and I have friends that are extroverts that they go to a networking event, there are lots of people a lot of energy, and they leave, they leave excited, they leave invigorated. And for myself, I leave, I could be there because, you know, I was a musician, I played music, I entertain as on stage. You know, when I did things up, you know, however, if I get in a crowd, and I'm doing a lot of things with a lot of people and I kind of leave exhausted, you know, it drains me a little bit, and I have to have some quiet time to really, to be in a place where I'm feeling recharged, you know, it's like, okay, I need downtime, more than a lot of energy in the room.

Kenneth Lang 7:17
I think a lot of challenges now, with all of us being zoomed out sometimes and just one to the other. I always say as a tip, schedule, some downtime. Yeah, office time, you know, if you're not at the office, just to remember to do things, whether it's to eat or just kind of decompress. Because before you know, it's nine o'clock at night, you've been on calls all day.

Russ Johns 7:39
I know, I looked up last night, it was midnight. It's like why am I still up? I gotta get up in the morning. So, hey, I want to give a shout out to Nick. Nick is an awesome individual that I met through LinkedIn. He was actually in Seattle at the time, and we had him on the #PirateBroadcast™ and brought him on and he's been growing his network, he's now started a podcast. He's doing some amazing work out there. If you're not connected to the pirate, Nick, go out there and do that. Michael Baker is always so supportive. Michael, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate you and what you're doing out there. Thank you for showing up on a regular basis and contributing to the to the stream. I love that. Nick also adds, no resumes, personal brand yourself by good content and engaging. Let's talk. And then he also goes on to say, a great headline and summary is huge. What are your thoughts on that?

Kenneth Lang 8:41
The headline has to be positioned in a certain way to differentiate yourself from everyone else. And the good thing about LinkedIn is you have a way every week to see what's working, what's not working, but it should be not just an amount of work, not just I'm looking for a new opportunity. It's like what are the skills? And the about section, I think a little suggestion is where the summary section, the only thing most people are going to see the first three lines until they select the more so you want to really make those stand out. So that people want to read more. It's all searchable, but it's all about, you know, first impressions.

Russ Johns 9:20
And I think that people need to, you know, kind of do some homework on that, too, is a lot of, you know, it's I've adjusted my content all the time. And I I go back and I look at it, I think what was what was I think it will be at a creative it's like, sometimes being too creative is is a disadvantage because you're like, people confuse the message with what your intent is. And so it's always it's always good to have somebody else look at it too.

Kenneth Lang 9:52
Yeah, I also think it's important to have, I mean, I call it a job search posse, if you will, but it's like a job search team and you have a networking group. This same way, so you bounce ideas off each other. Yeah, you can trust different than your family and friends, but people that are, you know, either in a similar situation that will be very supportive of you.

Russ Johns 10:13
Yeah, I'm also a huge fan of masterminds, and getting involved and engaged in a group of people that can help bring some accountability to your life. And also, you know, give you a reality check now and then saying, hey, this is confusing to me. And I don't know why you're saying that. But that's always a good strategy to have in place. Let's talk about content. Or, you know, there's really, you know, there's text content, text posts, there's video posts, there's live streaming, you know, video, right, whether you upload it natively, or a lot of people also put their links in from YouTube. No, I don't think that gets as much traction, not really no. And then there's, and then there's, there's, you know, you can do slides, you can do a slideshow,

Kenneth Lang 11:10
You can attach documents, and all that, too. I would say....

Russ Johns 11:14
Do you have a favorite?

Kenneth Lang 11:15
Well, I would say, first of all, you know, more than anything else, you want to be consistent. If you post something now, and you don't post something for a month or so, or a week, or a week or so, you're not gonna get much engagement. So you want to have whether it's every other day, or however often. But even more than that, LinkedIn just changed its algorithm again, it used to be that when you posted something in the first hour or so if you didn't get any hits, you were going to be sent down now. It's it's gradual. So you want to think about content that might still be relevant three or four days.

Russ Johns 11:47
Interesting.

Kenneth Lang 11:48
Yeah, cuz cuz that's, I think a lot of us get a lot of our hits later on. Even now, you want to be a little bit different between all the Happy New Year let's get going with our January successes. I mean, I think video probably is the best thing. But it's, for me, most people, I would say, find an article of interest. cut and paste and put a few lines in as to why you're set. you're sharing the article. We're doing something like a very basic top 10 tips or something or just you know, even if you attended this broadcast today, I attended the broadcast. I learned this while I want to do this or thanks to some but it's all about a process and doing it on a regular basis with whatever you do.

Russ Johns 12:33
Consistency is key. Cathi Spooner says, Hey, good morning pirates early morning for me. And I'm glad to join in this morning. Well, Cathi, thank you so much for being here. And it is early. Nancy, it is really early for Nancy. She's on the west coast. So she's an hour earlier than we are. And Michael Baker says it's a pleasure, my friend. Thank you so much. And he goes on to say, reevaluation refocus, prioritize your priorities. absolutely, positively. on LinkedIn. Kenneth, what are some priorities, we need to have? You know consistency. I totally agree with your statement. Absolutely consistent. I show up every day. For that reason, I post on a regular basis. I unfortunately, and I was talking to I was I was talking to Nick Dorsey yesterday about the same subject and also, Jeff young, about the benefit of building a community and asking for help, and getting some connections on LinkedIn has been a huge benefit for me, and I feel totally 2020 has actually been good for my business this year. Not everything has been great. Right? You know, and, and I feel very fortunate, blessed this year, for all of the abundance that has arrived in my in my life. And one of the downsides of that is when you're doing a lot of client work, I don't have as much time to engage and connect with the community and schedule zoom sessions and things like that. And so there's a balance, how do you recommend people balance those kinds of items in real life with being consistent?

Kenneth Lang 14:36
I would say, because this is what works for me. I'm not, I'm not on LinkedIn all day. I'm on LinkedIn for different reasons, maybe a half hour or so in the morning, maybe a little bit for lunchtime, and maybe a little bit at night because different people on the platform that I think that's a big part of it. But even more than that, you want to make sure that you're being found and a lot of people make assumptions like you can put the keywords that you want be found by more than one place, it doesn't just have to be in a band summary section it can be with jobs that you've had. And you want to make sure that you have skills there. Don't assume that just because you know that everyone knows Microsoft Office and Microsoft Word, don't assume that will make you job searches that they're not looking for those terms. I mean, again, you can make an assumption, but above all, you want to be genuine. with whatever you do you want to be genuine. I do not advocate having someone write your LinkedIn profile for you. It's not beneficial. It's got to be in your voice. And above all, you want to be interesting.

Russ Johns 15:37
Yeah, well, there's a lot of people that are interesting that don't have that in their profile. profile is more boring than you are much more boring than you are. So spice it up, folks spice it up. Nick Dorsey says I put links in the comments, that's a great another strategy, don't put it in the post, put it in the comments. It's my work.

Kenneth Lang 16:05
And also, the whole idea of tagging people has changed a lot, too. You know, it used to be tagging a lot of people, a lot of people. Now the more people you tag, if they don't reply back or acknowledge your post that's going to affect where you stand in being searched. So you want to tag very judiciously, if at all?

Russ Johns 16:22
Yeah, I, I sometimes feel lazy, because I don't tag a lot of people. And I don't necessarily, I don't follow a lot of the rules of the algorithm. Because it's like, okay, I'm just gonna do what I'm gonna do.

Kenneth Lang 16:41
You can't get caught up, you cannot get caught up with the algorithm. So many people say, I have less views than before. I'm not getting it doesn't matter. You want to make sure that you're relevant. And you have the same message, because I don't care that I don't have the same views as before. It's about quality versus quantity. And I think so many people get hung up on the numbers. I mean, there are people that have millions of followers and hundreds of 1000s of comments. Good for them. Nothing wrong with that. But again, you want...It's a quality versus quantity thing.

Russ Johns 17:16
Sure. Absolutely. Nancy says Be consistent and create content that grows. I love that concept of content that grows.

Kenneth Lang 17:26
Yes.

Russ Johns 17:27
You know, Ithink I think every year, like there's been 10 tips and 10 days or a challenge of something. And that gets that seems to build a lot of momentum a lot of times this year didn't seem to catch on with a lot of people. However, I'm sure that there's things like that that will catch on.

Kenneth Lang 17:50
Well, I did something a little bit different. I said, well, the top one of the top 10 words you don't want to hear about next year anymore. Overused word. Four phrases. Number one is what is your mic on? Okay, that that one is like zoom fatigue. One is rolling this together? I mean, it's like, right.

Russ Johns 18:12
Yeah. It's like, okay. There's a lot of people to learn how to zoom this year. Yeah, I know. Michael Baker says, Is there a program that broadcasts to multiple social media networks? There is a lot, Michael, there's a lot of them. One that a friend of mine, Obie makes is Be social. It's Be social. There's one that I used to use all the time is E clincher. I love that one. Social pilot is another one that I've used. There's also the the normal ones that you hear all the time. There's probably you probably have a few on your list, don't you?

Kenneth Lang 19:01
Yeah, I would ask one question back, is there a benefits to broadcasting to all multiple social media places with the same content?

Russ Johns 19:11
Well, and I also want to put caveat on that there's a difference between broadcasting to all networks and sharing the same piece of information on all networks. Because like for myself, I create different content for different networks,

Kenneth Lang 19:29
Right.

Russ Johns 19:30
And I schedule it. There's things that I schedule out on a regular basis. However, it's not. And that's just, that's just I start to create it, I start to do things that I do but so you have to be cautious with automation. Automation can go bad quickly, if it's not done correctly.

Kenneth Lang 19:53
I thinklike I've just started to get into Instagram a little bit and a little bit into it. But I waited a while till I was going to be able to do it more often. And I think, with whatever you do you, I hesitate about doing too much too quickly, because you're going to be all over the place. Um, LinkedIn is great. For one thing. Facebook is great for other things. interest and all that. I think that's one of the challenges so much social media, and there's more that's coming up this year. A lot of things are coming down the pike.

Russ Johns 20:31
Well, Nick and I were talking about yesterday we were talking about clubhouse,

Kenneth Lang 20:35
Right, yeah, I actually just joined clubhouse.

Russ Johns 20:38
Yeah, I've been on clubhouse for a little while I'm growing my audience slowly and showing up. But he gets engagement, Nick says he gets his live streams gets big engagement. And when I first started on LinkedIn live, I got phenomenal engagement, you know, the numbers were great. And then they kind of leveled off. And I think it's because it's, I think it's just like zoom and people get fatigued by it. And they get used to seeing my notification. And so it becomes noise and they just ignore it. But it's like, I'm here for a purpose. I'm here for a reason. And it's to highlight people like yourself and share people that are doing great things out there. And it's an experiment for me to be able to pursue helping more people with live streaming, and podcasting, and over at this #PirateSyndicate™. So the #PirateSyndicate™ is actually the business goal. And creating shows for other people is my ultimate goal, and I want to be able to bring on other producers that are producing other shows. I'm producing content and courses to help people understand and appreciate and learn more about live streaming. And this year, one of the big initiatives is growing my YouTube channel. So if you're not subscribed, love to have you go subscribe to my YouTube channel. click that bell, smash that like button.

Kenneth Lang 22:14
The thing that I started this year for engagements, I have a weekly LinkedIn luncheon, learn that I do every Tuesday from one to two. And I've invited guests on. And it started in June when a bunch of us just chatted. And then people that are in transition, I said, Why don't you guys present to the group, and just market yourself and brand yourself. So now it's six months later, we get 100 or so people we're probably going to get off one platform to the other. But it was just an idea for me just to kind of talk to people, because I wouldn't you know, it's like, we all have our stories, that stuff and i'd love it well, at some point too.

Russ Johns 22:49
I love that. I love that. Great info about posting and consistency with content. That is so true. Thank you so much, Cathi. And Kenneth, thank you so much for sharing all this information. Nancy says hashtag abundance, abundance.

Kenneth Lang 23:06
I mean, it's funny, I actually created a hashtag introverts unite. And it's got a decent following. I just figured why not? I mean, the same hash tag all the time. I don't know if you if you have your hashtag #PirateBroadcast™.

Russ Johns 23:20
Well, I hope you have the hashtags. I use the hashtags a lot. #kindnessiscool, #smilesarefree. Because that's kind of....

Kenneth Lang 23:26
Yeah, right. That's, that's, that's great.

Russ Johns 23:28
Yeah. I actually had a Facebook, Kenneth, I had a Facebook message come up, I don't know, a couple of weeks ago, you know, the memories is like six years ago, I've done that same theme. #kindnessiscool, #smilesarefree. So I've been sharing that for years. And it's still true today is, you know, people are people. We're all in this together, folks. Now we're on the same rock flying through space. And there's absolutely no reason why we can't come together in a more meaningful way. And coordinate our efforts in a mutual direction and, and kind of find a middle ground on everything.

Kenneth Lang 24:07
Or they also think sometimes just turn off the TV at times just totally decompress. It's not going to change from hour to hour.

Russ Johns 24:16
Yeah. Nick Dorsey says I change my posting all the time. Just some text and video and photos and the ones getting a lot of traction for me lately are posting gifs. I had to try that, try some gifs. And Nancy says show up be real. Yes, Lily. Love that. Nick says I'm the same way, Russ. I do my own thing. Fantastic. Great info on the tagging. Nancy says. It's great to hear. Don't get caught up on the algorithm.

Kenneth Lang 24:50
Absolutely. For the newbie, doesn't matter. I'd rather have if I post the same time like it's the same people kind of kind of know to expect me to be there. Yeah, and it's relative stuff and it's not if you have 100 people versus 10,000, what difference is the make of those 10,000 people just liking it and just looking at it. And again, views don't mean that they're looking at views mean, you're, you're scrolling in the feed, it's not the same as someone actually watching what you do. So you got to really think about the numbers in different ways.

Russ Johns 25:21
Yeah, I really think there's an opportunity here that we can actually really help a lot of people and this information, Kenneth, has been incredibly valuable today. And I appreciate you showing up being a pirate. Michael Baker says attraction over self promotion. Absolutely. People over profits. You know, we all are in business, and LinkedIn is business focused platform. And you can still be kind and considerate. And you can actually have a little bit of empathy for other people and still make money. You know, it's not that i'm here today. You know, I've spent years learning some of the skills that I've learned. And it's okay for me to charge and create value from that. And it's okay for people to charge money for their skills.

Kenneth Lang 26:15
And then that's the thing a lot of people make the assumption. I mean, if you're going to pay someone to do work around your house, they're not going to do it for free. Or if you talk to a doctor or something, you know, free advice. It's free advice. But we all had our knowledge. I would just say one other thing. Think about what you post, I have so many people that are LinkedIn, ninjas, and LinkedIn, Supermen. Really? I mean, I again, I know that a lot of them and they're great people. But how much do you have to pump your chest? If you're good, you're good, and they'll trust you. And I think that's important.

Russ Johns 26:47
Howard says automation is a double edged sword. And that is absolutely true.

Kenneth Lang 26:53
Yeah, I actually posted a post about an automated request that I got. And it was high and it had first name in brackets. And the first thing was not included. I put it up there as a thing not to do. Yeah. And how are you going to be speaking with you in a few weeks?

Russ Johns 27:12
Yeah, no kidding. Hannah says, What about restream.io, crowdcast, or stream yard? Well, we're streaming right now today, live streaming on stream yard, and I do stream to Facebook, YouTube, LinkedIn, and Twitter until it migrates over to or it's all Periscope, until it migrates over to write Twitter directly. I hope they work out the API and all of that kind of stuff. But crowdcast is another platform that I met the founders, Cy and the boys over in San Francisco. And crowdcast is a great platform for webinars and putting together you know, a paywall for some of your content. If you're doing a lot of paid content if you want to, or you want to collect emails, it's a great way to build emails up. And restream is another way that you can actually use OBS or live streaming platforms and you want to broadcast to multiple platforms. I think restream has, I don't know, 20-30 locations you can stream to all at once.

Kenneth Lang 28:28
I mean, I'm gonna probably do stream yard later on this month, because I know Hannah's going to be overbooked. If we try to do it the way we have. And I I've actually testing it off to the side before I actually go live because I want to make sure,

Russ Johns 28:40
yeah, well, we can talk about that anytime you want. You need an iPhone on clubhouse That is true.

Kenneth Lang 28:47
Yes, it is. But it's it's been cool. Being in meetings and talking to people. It's just weird. I mean, any suggestions you can get for me as to how to get involved besides just being in the rooms?

Russ Johns 29:03
Yeah, start your own room. Okay. Get a little posse, like you said the network posse.

Kenneth Lang 29:09
Okay

Russ Johns 29:10
and pick a subject like LinkedIn and open up a room, start the dialogue, and carry it on and be consistent, you know, have it like on a Monday night, LinkedIn #motivation session, and ramp up your LinkedIn.

Kenneth Lang 29:31
And then, after he just invited me to it, so I actually should have just taken her up on it. But I definitely have to give a shout out to all the people on the call who are supporting me and who I appreciate very much. I'm happy to connect with anyone, anytime. I would just have this thing. Tell me why you want to connect not because I want to bust your chops, but I know so many different people it would be helpful to have a frame of reference.

Russ Johns 29:55
Well, ifyou connect with Kenneth after this episode, and you see this episode in the future, just reach out to him and say, hey, I saw you on the #PirateBroadcast™ and I'm a pirate. You know, kind of #smilesarefree and give him a frame of reference.

Kenneth Lang 30:11
She says it can be overwhelming. And I say this to everyone in the beginning, don't try to do too much. If you go to a presentation, you're going to be overwhelmed. Do it slowly get one thing, because it's your profile. It's not you can change and no one's going to care that much realistically. So if you don't save it and save it and save it, it's not like you're doing this resume that you have to send out perfectly. It's okay to try things out.

Russ Johns 30:35
Life is an experiment. It's like an instrument we have to learn how to we practice at it. Don't think about it. Don't think of it as perfection. Think of it as progress, daily progress. Absolutely. So Kenneth Lang, Nancy says, thank you for the valuable information it can add has been overwhelming, being new to the platform, this gives me focus and a sigh of relief. Absolutely, Nancy. You know, you've done some amazing work on the platform, you made some great connections, you've been involved and engaged in the posts in the community. And, you know, it's really important to understand that. It doesn't have to be perfect the first time. In fact, some of my most important mistakes have turned out to be the biggest steps I've taken in my life. I won't even call them mistakes. I'll call them more like learning experiences. Well, educational opportunities.

Kenneth Lang 31:43
Very few people engage on the platform, you hear the number, there's 700 million users, less than 1% of the people actually engage. So don't be I mean it blew my mind the first time, but then I see it now and have fun. I mean, one of my favorite posts that I posted all time in here in Northern New Jersey and north in the northeast, we get something called mallowmars from Nabisco, which are the most marshmallow things. In September, I said, it's mallowmar season, you're gonna get your mail tomorrow, and I put a picture of mallomars up there was like, Oh, my God, what are now it's just about getting engagement was nothing to do with anything else.

Russ Johns 32:23
Just an experiment. Like Michael Baker says, #kindnessiscool, #smilesarefree . Yes, it's absolutely. Wendy. It's early for you. What are you doing up? #kindnessiscool Let me let me get on Wendy. Pirate sighs Good morning to Kenneth and Russ. Fantastic. Lots of comments this morning. I really appreciate everyone for joining us today. Kenneth, it's been a huge opportunity to get to know you a little better. And thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate all the work that you're doing out there. And, you know, if there's anything I can do to add value to your day, please don't hesitate to to reach out.

Kenneth Lang 33:02
I want I want you on my LinkedIn live, I want you on my present. So we'll talk about that later. The same goes for anyone else, if you want more information, definitely reach out to me. But thanks again, it's been great being on the podcast with you all have a great day.

Russ Johns 33:15
And then Leslie says, like that educational opportunities. Darren says Good morning. Another great topic. I just want to make sure that Leslie says, Here's Leslie, thank you for sharing great information. I just know, thank you so much, everybody for being here. Thank you so much for the opportunity to share this information with you because it's all like I said, we're all part of the equation. And we're all here together. So let's continue to learn. Because, you know, people like Kenneth take out their time, they spend a lot of time and energy learning these skills, these techniques and some of the things that can help you out. So showing up for the #PirateBroadcast™ can help you in your journey. Ask questions, reach out to me, DM me, if there's a subject or a topic you want to learn more about, or talk about or have me bring to the table, I'm more than happy to contribute that to the community. And also I'm totally serious 2020 was a you know, continuing to grow 2021 I'm going to expand. That's my dream. I want to start building up on my YouTube channel, get more subscribers on my podcast. So reach out. Subscribe, find me on other locations and let's grow this together. Let's build a community that believes in kindness. Because, you know, #kindnessiscool. Yes, #smilesarefree. Absolutely. You Kenneth, thank you so much for being here.

Kenneth Lang 34:52
Thank you for having me. Have a great day. Everyone.

Russ Johns 34:53
You #enjoytheday. Take care everyone. Bye.

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